War and Peace Side Read, Week 5, June 25-July 5: Book 2/Part 1

Penguin edition - Briggs translation - Black cover w/ chandelier:
Volume 2, Part 1, pp 317-373, chapters 1-16, 56 pp.

Signet edition - Dunnigan translation - tan cover w/ flag:
Book 2, Part I, pp 334-395, chapters 1-16, 61 pp.

Modern Library - Garnett translation - Olive cover w/ gold stripe:
Part Four, pp 441-532, chapters 1-16, 91 pp

Amazon edition - Maude translation - light blue cover:
Book 4 (1806), pp 474-555, chapters 1-16, 81 pp

Last paragraph of this section (Maude):

He filled the girls’ albums with verses and music, and having at last sent Dolokhov the whole forty-three thousand rubles and received his receipt, he left at the end of November, without taking leave of any of his acquaintances, to overtake his regiment which was already in Poland.

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I think all I have to say is— Oh, Pierre!

Haha, I now have Jean Hagen in my head (Singin in the Rain, talking to Gene Kelly, “Oh Pierre!”)

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I’m not quite as smitten with Pierre as she was. :rofl:

It looks like the folks who do analysis are lumping Books 4-5 together, & here’s what they have to say about these sections. Please let me know if this doesn’t line up with what we’re reading. Since I’m not there yet, I’m not sure if it makes sense.

Analysis: Books Four–Five

Just as Books Two and Three explore disillusionment with ideals of war and leadership, Book Four explores disillusionment with marriage. In the previous section, Andrew enters battle with a lofty ideal of glory and greatness; here, Pierre enters marriage with some optimism about his future life with Helene. Just as Andrew’s idealistic notions are quickly debunked, Pierre’s illusions of marital sanctity and respect fade when it appears that Helene has been unfaithful, and is only too happy to separate from him—provided he share his wealth. Pierre’s disillusionment, like Andrew’s, haunts him for many years.

The depressed Pierre initially searches for solace in religion, recalling Tolstoy’s own intense religious fundamentalism later in life. Indeed, this religious or spiritual exploration, an important element of War and Peace, is perhaps most notable in Pierre’s sudden conversion to Freemasonry through his encounter with the mysterious stranger in the Torzhok station. Tolstoy’s portrait of the old Mason is otherworldly and even spooky, a great contrast to the author’s normally highly realistic portrayals of his characters. The stranger, with his curious ring and his servant who seems never to need to shave, stands out as an almost supernatural element. Pierre’s initiation ritual, in which he is undressed and blindfolded, is an equally surreal addition to the novel’s realistic tone. The strangeness of these passages reinforces exactly what the alienated Pierre is seeking—an alternative to the reality of his despised everyday life, a leap into a different and better world. In a life full of confusions and minor immoralities, the appeal of the Masons’ faith in a simple struggle between good and evil is powerful to Pierre and also to Andrew, who feels swayed by his friend’s discussion of Freemasonry despite his initial skepticism.

Tolstoy’s religious exploration also finds expression in Princess Mary’s profound Christian devotion to her father. Mary cares for her father to the extent of sacrificing her own wishes for his well being, as she has renounced hopes of marriage. Living at Bald Hills, solving geometry problems far from society, Mary is like a nun in a cloister. Whenever her father is harsh and irritable toward her, she turns the other cheek meekly. As we have seen in Book One, Mary’s letters to Julie recommend spirituality as the only defense against the cruel whims of fate. Here, we see that Mary’s favorite entertainment is receiving the holy pilgrims who wander the countryside in chains, seeking mortification of the flesh in order to better understand God. Mary is so moved by the pilgrims that she even feels guilty at her love for her family, a love that she fears should be more rightly directed toward heaven.

The pervasive disillusionment that we have seen thus far in War and Peace suggests, though, that both Pierre’s and Mary’s religious feelings may ultimately prove to be misdirected. Indeed, as we see soon in Book Five, Pierre’s well-meaning efforts to liberate and educate his serfs actually leave the serfs worse off, and leave Pierre self-deceived. Later, Pierre realizes the limitations of Freemasonry, growing impatient with its mysticism and passivity. His discontentment turns to open rebellion when he delivers a speech at the Masonic lodge, after which his religious faith fizzles away almost completely. Mary’s faith does not disappear, but it seems equally misdirected: her father’s mistreatment grows increasingly tyrannical, and Mary’s nun-like isolation from the world makes her more and more irritable, even affecting her relations with her beloved nephew. As with Pierre’s Freemasonry, Mary’s Christianity begins to seem less like a source of strength in life, and more like a liability. Tolstoy does not critique the whole idea of faith, but only shows the limitations of two particular versions of it, inviting us to anticipate better alternatives that appear later in the novel.

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I am reading War and Peace with my ebook and also in hardcover. The ebook is the Maude translation and the hardcover is the Briggs translation.

I noticed that the structure between the two translations is different. When reading Part 4 in the ebook chapters 1-16. In the hardcover it is Volume II Part 1 chapters 1-16.

Hi @Lynne_G - If you look at my first post above, you can see how each translation breaks out, Book/Part/Chapter-wise, because they’re all different! That’s why I ended up including the last paragraph, to help compare.

What covers do your books have? If I know that, I may be able to be more specific about where we are.

My Briggs translation has us at Volume 2, Part 1, pp 317-373, chapters 1-16, 56 pp.

My Maude translation has us at Book 4 (1806), pp 474-555, chapters 1-16, 81 pp

Hope that helps!

Same. I have a hard copy of Briggs, an ebook of Maude and an audiobook of Maude. All are structured differently, even the two Maudes but I have found them relatively easy to bounce between when I bookmark them all at the same time regardless of which format I last used.

Thanks, I figured that out which I should have known. Kim sent me a similar message. At this age I need much guidance.

I don’t know if it should tell you but my son lives in Prairie Village, KS. Close to the Plaza in KS City there is a street called State Line. On one side of the street is Kansas and the other is Missouri. Everyone buys their gas on the Missouri side but the Kansas side has a much higher rating for schools/—-of course the property taxes are much higher.

He told me last night he was offered 2 tickets to the World Cup. He is 47so at his age friends rank higher than mothers.

Enjoy watching the match :stadium:

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Thanks Kim. I figured that out. Gabi was gracious to give me the same advice.

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@Lynne_G I’m glad you got the book versions worked out. It is confusing! You aren’t the only one. It took me a bit to figure out what worked for me!

How great that your son has a chance to go to a World Cup game - a unique life experience! It has been wonderful to watch on TV but in-person would be a whole different and amazing experience. It has been as much fun watching the crowds as watching the players. I live in SW IN and we are not near any of the stadiums - bummer, but still enjoying it. However, the matches are cramping my reading​:rofl:.

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I’m almost caught up! I’m at the point where Pierre is being inducted into the Masons. I have to admit, the book isn’t keeping my attention well during this section, although it really helped to read the analysis above. It at least helps me understand why Tolstoy included this passage.

I had a similar feeling about this section. I was listening to it while driving otherwise I might have fast-forwarded.:rofl:

I enjoyed the Masons section. It seemed to foretell something as yet unknown about the future. Indeed we do learn more about Pierre and his newfound “piety.” He’s so desperate to belong.

While I am not yet done with the section, I can’t help but wonder what impact, if any, his evangelism of the Freemasons, given with the zeal of the newly indoctrinated, will have on Andrei.

Also, my random thought - I couldn’t help thinking in the modern day Pierre, in the extreme, would be the perfect target for a cult.

Anne, I agree reading about the Freemasonry was interesting. I have known of the group but I never knew the details of their rules.

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Yes!!! I was thinking in exactly the same track @Gabi_J . I couldn’t help but compare Pierre’s “conversion” to what’s happening today. That was part of what made it so interesting.

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